Weight Limits

AdrianP

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you will love this one :)


Oh yes, that was funny,

I did my bit as the 2nd reply trying to say it didn't apply to RVs as they are not a non profit business vehicle used to haul play things etc but he was having none of it...

So I gave up... lol
 

Fab-Ani-Frank

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Hey Everyone! such a great thread thank you! I'm joining in for a couple of more questions regard this matter, if that's OK! (y)

As I said in another thread, we have just bought our first RV, whoohooo! It's a Forest River Georgetown 2006 (35ft) and 7.49t as written on the LOGBOOK. we are over the moon with it!!!!

As I took my car licence test after 1997, I know I need to do a a new licence to drive it, either C or C1(as below 7.5t).

My questions are:

1) If it's written that the vehicle is 7.49t on the logbook, does it actually matter the weight that stuff like fuel, water, new Forniture etc etc will add to it? Or is it just a way of classification for vechiles for example if a vechicle is registered as below 7.5t, it can be driven with a C1 licence? And it doesn't matter if it weights 50kg more?
Sorry I am a very newbie about all this!

2) Do the C and C1 have got much difference in price? I have done a little search and it looked like the C is around £1300 and the C1 £800, does this sound right to you? I will be doing lots of calls and ask quotes but I thought I'd ask you guys as you know a lot about this stuff.
Also I am a bit concerned about the sizes of vechiles I'll be driving if I take the C. As they might giant vehicles I'm a bit worried that it might be more difficult to pass the test when at the end of the day I will only be using my RV, never a lorry in my life. Do you know if you can take your practical test with your own vehicle?

3) I will want to apply for the E license as well as we would like to tow a car too. As I am understanding I won't need to take another theorical test (after I have done one with either C or C1 license), but do I need to take a practical test for that license as well? Do you know how much is a E license?

4) My driving license is European as I am Italian, do you know if I have to change it to a UK license before I apply to either C or C1?

Oh also, one last thing, @Mike59 ..May I ask how did you manage to change your test date from June to this monday? That's fantastic, I was getting worried I had to wait for ages as I really would like to get license as soon as possible!

Thanks you so so much in advance, sorry for the many questions. I am new to all this and want to make sure I make the right choices! Thank you all again!!
 

adi4

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You need to check the weight plate inside the vehicle.

The V5 may state 7.49t but a 2006 brochure for your vehicle puts the unloaded weight at a minimum of 7.9t.


What is written on the V5 is quite often wrong, when we bought ours it said 7049 kg on the V5 but ours is actually on an 11000Kg chassis.

Ours was just another example of an rv that was regerstered by the importer as being under 7500 Kg, and he probably told the first owner that he could drive it on his car licence.

The moral of the story is check what is / should be written on the data sticker usually on the wall by the drivers seat.

Adi
 
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8629

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First thing I always do when buying a vehicle is put it on a weighbridge, I want to know exactly what my rig weighs so I know where I can add weight when putting equipment away. As they say, ignorance is never an excuse when the police have you on a weighbridge.
 

motor roamin

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Hey Everyone! such a great thread thank you! I'm joining in for a couple of more questions regard this matter, if that's OK! (y)

As I said in another thread, we have just bought our first RV, whoohooo! It's a Forest River Georgetown 2006 (35ft) and 7.49t as written on the LOGBOOK. we are over the moon with it!!!!

As I took my car licence test after 1997, I know I need to do a a new licence to drive it, either C or C1(as below 7.5t).

My questions are:

1) If it's written that the vehicle is 7.49t on the logbook, does it actually matter the weight that stuff like fuel, water, new Forniture etc etc will add to it? Or is it just a way of classification for vechiles for example if a vechicle is registered as below 7.5t, it can be driven with a C1 licence? And it doesn't matter if it weights 50kg more?
Sorry I am a very newbie about all this!

2) Do the C and C1 have got much difference in price? I have done a little search and it looked like the C is around £1300 and the C1 £800, does this sound right to you? I will be doing lots of calls and ask quotes but I thought I'd ask you guys as you know a lot about this stuff.
Also I am a bit concerned about the sizes of vechiles I'll be driving if I take the C. As they might giant vehicles I'm a bit worried that it might be more difficult to pass the test when at the end of the day I will only be using my RV, never a lorry in my life. Do you know if you can take your practical test with your own vehicle?

3) I will want to apply for the E license as well as we would like to tow a car too. As I am understanding I won't need to take another theorical test (after I have done one with either C or C1 license), but do I need to take a practical test for that license as well? Do you know how much is a E license?

4) My driving license is European as I am Italian, do you know if I have to change it to a UK license before I apply to either C or C1?

Oh also, one last thing, @Mike59 ..May I ask how did you manage to change your test date from June to this monday? That's fantastic, I was getting worried I had to wait for ages as I really would like to get license as soon as possible!

Thanks you so so much in advance, sorry for the many questions. I am new to all this and want to make sure I make the right choices! Thank you all again!!

Oh boy where do I start, First I doubt that a 2006 35ft Georgetown with twin slides has gross weight of 7500kg at a guess I would think it is nearer to 8750kg so well worth checking and not accepting what someone claimed it to be for the log book, if you were to stopped they will put you on a weigh bridge and if over 7500kg your breaking the law, on a RV unlikely 50kg would result in prosecution, totally pointless doing a cat C1 because if you ever wanted to drive a diesel pusher you would have to do another test and training, a cat C licence will usually be trained in a 18ton truck (some companies use 15ton trucks) not physically much difference in size to a 7.5ton and close to your RV, as the vehicle you take your test in now has to be loaded with 5ton it's impossible to use your own vehicle, price will vary on age of vehicle quality of training and what they are quoting for we always quote everything included then take out the parts not needed (no surprises that way) the quotes you have both seem a little light so something is missing or the company is not VAT registered.

When doing the test for adding E to the licence no more theories just train and test so yes another practical test.

You will have to change your licence to a UK licence, to do this you will need to be resident in the UK fill in a D1 application form and send £43 (providing this hasn't changed since brexit) you will then need to have a medical to apply for a provisional LGV licence.

The tests that Mike changed are the Theory and Hazard perception tests which you will need to pass after getting your provisional and before your practical driver training with you having to convert your licence to UK and with the backlog of trainees I think a sensible time scale is around 16 weeks total.

Hope this answers all your questions.
 

Mike59

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Oh also, one last thing, @Mike59 ..May I ask how did you manage to change your test date from June to this monday? That's fantastic, I was getting worried I had to wait for ages as I really would like to get license as soon as possible!

Once you have your provisional licence you can log into the Gov.uk theory test site and book a time for your tests. My first earliest test time was in July but you can keep checking daily for earlier dates and test locations, from July to June then May and yesterday i managed to change them to next Tuesday.
 

motor roamin

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Once you have your provisional licence you can log into the Gov.uk theory test site and book a time for your tests. My first earliest test time was in July but you can keep checking daily for earlier dates and test locations, from July to June then May and yesterday i managed to change them to next Tuesday.

They are putting more tests on daily but they limit us to 50 tests unnamed we need close to 300 at present which is a pain in the rear.
 

RV Neal

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Now you have it "chapter and verse" from Rick (motor roamin). Regarding the weight of your RV I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't as high as 9450kg. Either way it's almost definitely going to exceed 7450kg and so you will need a C licence and then a C+E licence in order to tow a car.

You seem very determined to get things done correctly and I wish you every luck in your endeavours.
 

Fab-Ani-Frank

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Oh boy where do I start, First I doubt that a 2006 35ft Georgetown with twin slides has gross weight of 7500kg at a guess I would think it is nearer to 8750kg so well worth checking and not accepting what someone claimed it to be for the log book, if you were to stopped they will put you on a weigh bridge and if over 7500kg your breaking the law, on a RV unlikely 50kg would result in prosecution, totally pointless doing a cat C1 because if you ever wanted to drive a diesel pusher you would have to do another test and training, a cat C licence will usually be trained in a 18ton truck (some companies use 15ton trucks) not physically much difference in size to a 7.5ton and close to your RV, as the vehicle you take your test in now has to be loaded with 5ton it's impossible to use your own vehicle, price will vary on age of vehicle quality of training and what they are quoting for we always quote everything included then take out the parts not needed (no surprises that way) the quotes you have both seem a little light so something is missing or the company is not VAT registered.

When doing the test for adding E to the licence no more theories just train and test so yes another practical test.

You will have to change your licence to a UK licence, to do this you will need to be resident in the UK fill in a D1 application form and send £43 (providing this hasn't changed since brexit) you will then need to have a medical to apply for a provisional LGV licence.

The tests that Mike changed are the Theory and Hazard perception tests which you will need to pass after getting your provisional and before your practical driver training with you having to convert your licence to UK and with the backlog of trainees I think a sensible time scale is around 16 weeks total.

Hope this answers all your questions.

Thank you so so much @motor roamin for taking the time to write this amazing reply! You have really cleared my mind in many things. really appreciate. I wish Leicester was closer to us (we live in Brighton) as I would have definitely done my license with you.

C+E License will be then!! (y)

Thanks to all of you for your support!!
 

motor roamin

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Ps: Do you know any reliable company that you would recommend down here in the Sussex?

Thanks in advance!

Unfortunately I don't, best advice I can give is when choosing a training provider go and see them DON'T part with any money over the phone, check out their trucks ask questions make sure everything is included in the price no extras, ask what their pass rate is if they say over 80% walk away we have a 78% first time pass rate in the hardest city to pass (though we do have our own test centre) and we are the third highest in the country (Norwich is the easiest city to pass in) Leicesters average is 42% we as I said is 78% most good providers will do everything they legally can in house from the medical to practical test and run clean late trucks, good luck in your search.
 

jayandjen

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your RV at 35ft is i would agree likely to weigh more than as registered on the V5.

So by going for a Class C licence you will have all options open for the future and to be honest your rv is wide and long so don't worry about learning in a truck - as everything you learn in how to drive a large vehicle will be relevant when driving the rv.

AFter you pass your test you can then address replating the rv to its original design weight. This should be a paper exercise but you will need to provide evidence, the quickest route to do this is by using SVtech - a company who specialise in this.

I guess its a bummer that there's likely a long que on getting booked in for lessons etc for CAT C but go with a good company - its worth checking out the training companies you look at on social media for reviews - people are quick to write on these if they are not good.

or have a holiday , a week in leics with rick.
I was in a similar position, the rv we bought was right on the cusp of being able to reg at 7.5 so i just thought its better to register at the original 8.25 and do the test.
I used LGV Training in Northampton, (not that thats much use to you) - found they were really good for me , days driving was at least that but i just used the company who could get me in fastest guess i were lucky.
 

Fab-Ani-Frank

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Thanks so much @motor roamin,I will follow your guidance!!

Thank you @jayandjen for your super comment!! I'm going to look for a good company down here and hopefully I will be lucky too! I wish I could take Rick's course!
Anyway, happy to be doing the C licence as at the end of the day it will be really good to drive large vehicles to give me confidence when I'll be on the road with my RV! (y)

Thanks again everyone, you've all been very helpful!
 

motor roamin

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your RV at 35ft is i would agree likely to weigh more than as registered on the V5.

So by going for a Class C licence you will have all options open for the future and to be honest your rv is wide and long so don't worry about learning in a truck - as everything you learn in how to drive a large vehicle will be relevant when driving the rv.

AFter you pass your test you can then address replating the rv to its original design weight. This should be a paper exercise but you will need to provide evidence, the quickest route to do this is by using SVtech - a company who specialise in this.

I guess its a bummer that there's likely a long que on getting booked in for lessons etc for CAT C but go with a good company - its worth checking out the training companies you look at on social media for reviews - people are quick to write on these if they are not good.

or have a holiday , a week in leics with rick.
I was in a similar position, the rv we bought was right on the cusp of being able to reg at 7.5 so i just thought its better to register at the original 8.25 and do the test.
I used LGV Training in Northampton, (not that thats much use to you) - found they were really good for me , days driving was at least that but i just used the company who could get me in fastest guess i were lucky.

Helena at LGV training Northampton is very good, one of the few we would recommend she is often on the phone to us since she took the business over a couple or so years ago (y)
 

jayandjen

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Helena at LGV training Northampton is very good, one of the few we would recommend she is often on the phone to us since she took the business over a couple or so years ago (y)
yes Helena is who sorted me out getting me through at short notice.
I didn't know she was the owner - maybe she wasnt then i,m not sure.
Marcin the instructor was ace, really nice chap too. and just soo thourough in telling you how the tester will want you to drive.
I think as Marcin is polish speaking to they do loads of driver referances to for local companies.
i managed to fail the hazard perception with 0% - didnt press the correct button on the mouse!!! and she got me a super fast retest a couple days later in peterborough which fortunatly i had no technical problems with
 

RV Neal

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yes Helena is who sorted me out getting me through at short notice.
I didn't know she was the owner - maybe she wasnt then i,m not sure.
Marcin the instructor was ace, really nice chap too. and just soo thourough in telling you how the tester will want you to drive.
I think as Marcin is polish speaking to they do loads of driver referances to for local companies.
i managed to fail the hazard perception with 0% - didnt press the correct button on the mouse!!! and she got me a super fast retest a couple days later in peterborough which fortunatly i had no technical problems with
Not fair really. You didn't fail the hazard perception test, you failed the IT test!
 

shovelheadrob

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Not fair really. You didn't fail the hazard perception test, you failed the IT test!
When I did mine, I nearly got removed as one of the scenarios was a cyclist approaching a parked vehicle, the cyclist pulled out to overtake said vehicle without looking (expected), then the driver of said vehicle opened the driver's door nearly taking out the cyclist, I just saw it as an expected every day scenario & completely forgot to press the button, then swore rather loudly when I realised........several heads turned & I got a dirty look from the monitor, fortunately it was the only one I missed.
 

motor roamin

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yes Helena is who sorted me out getting me through at short notice.
I didn't know she was the owner - maybe she wasnt then i,m not sure.
Marcin the instructor was ace, really nice chap too. and just soo thourough in telling you how the tester will want you to drive.
I think as Marcin is polish speaking to they do loads of driver referances to for local companies.
i managed to fail the hazard perception with 0% - didnt press the correct button on the mouse!!! and she got me a super fast retest a couple days later in peterborough which fortunatly i had no technical problems with

Yes Helena had a partner at first but his business interests were elsewhere, she took over about 3 years ago I think and has built a good training school often on to us for advice, though she has found the last twelve months as difficult as we have.

When I did mine, I nearly got removed as one of the scenarios was a cyclist approaching a parked vehicle, the cyclist pulled out to overtake said vehicle without looking (expected), then the driver of said vehicle opened the driver's door nearly taking out the cyclist, I just saw it as an expected every day scenario & completely forgot to press the button, then swore rather loudly when I realised........several heads turned & I got a dirty look from the monitor, fortunately it was the only one I missed.

The hazard perception is complete BS it's a vidio game that you learn to play, fine if you have never been on the road, but as a driver what they consider to be a developing hazard (which it is) as a driver you have already dealt with it in your head and no longer see it as a developing hazard, one of the biggest reasons for failure, the other problem with it is it's the same test (just a different amount of clips) whether you are taking it for a motorbike or a 44 tonner if I come round a corner and there are pigeons on the road on a motorbike that's a hazard in a 44 tonner I'll run the slow ones over no hazard :rofl: or is that incorrect answers on a postcard please or here of course (y)
 
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